Model Space / Paper Space Display!?!

[workster]

I have a large colour filled graphic in model space and when I revert to paper space (layout 1) to overlay some line work I can not see the line work as the colour fill from the model space overrides the paper space line work.

Any one have any ideas to display the paper space line work always 'on top' of the model space data?

If you do a print preview all is OK?

The only way I have found a get-a-round is by creating a new layout window and then deleting it. This (for some reason) makes the display in the initial layout window correct!!

[architech]

When you go to paper space .... have you tried to type in "regenall"?
If it plots fine, then it might be that simple.

If the line work didn't plot fine, then U would need to try "draworder".

I believe it's just the "regenall".

Let me know guy. :wink:

[VERYCIVILDRAFTER]

If "draworder" won't work either;

"Wblock" out all of your line-work (that's on top of the image)...

save, close, and reopen... you might not have to do this step

then "insert" the line-work back into the drawing.

I know its a lot of steps, but doing that seems to be very effective in forcing the draworder of the image and your line-work.

Images are a pain, especially plotting.

[workster]

Cheers for the tips.

I have tried the regenall command but it doesn't sort out the problem.

Ordinarily using the draw order functions would supply the correct result, but in this case because the line work is in paper space only where as the image is in model I can't select one to bring on top of the other.

I'll be trying the wb method though and I'll get back to you how it goes.

Thanks again for putting your thought into it. :)

[Eddie]

8) You could try changing the FADE setting for the image so that you overlay your linework..then make sure you have PLOT PAPERSPACE LAST checked in the plot dialog so your line work overrides the image.
Don't forget to reset the image fade though.

Hope this helps..
Let us know how go with it.

[workster]

Hi Again,

Unfortunately none of the suggestions have been winners as yet!
This time I have attached a jpg of the problem for a visual representation.
On the pic you can see that the colour fill (which is in model space) over-writes the line work which is in paper space. Ideally the fill needs to be at the back (behind) of the line work, but I can't do this using draworder because the elements are in two different 'spaces'.

Any more ideas out there....... :roll:

[YosSa]

Perhaps its a very stupid answer,

but why not make it all in the smae space then ??

Why draw the lines in paperspace ?

[workster]

The reason for the 2 different spaces is that the colour fill area actually represent the sea floor geology and covers many kilometers square.

However the panel you see in the jpg is a chart from a third party software which only covers a small geographic area.

Therefore it has been common practice (until this problem) to have an overview of the seafloor in model space (geographically correct) and then have the actual chart panels in paper space, using mview's to show the correct goegraphical seabd data.

Like I said, it plots properly, but at present if I want to edit line work I have to turn off the fills.!!

Hope that explains it ok. Cheers :wink:

[Eddie]

:? Bit bugger this one...I can't any toher way around it beside controlling the fade aspect of the image in MSPACE while you working on the drawing then reset it for plotting.

[architech]

The software that you are using .... :idea: can it be used in model space :?:

If so, why not do the drawing in another DWG file. This way the linework and fill remain separated. Then you only need to use XREF as a tool.

Just a thought. :? :roll:

[csiarch]

I think the folks who are suggesting that you work in model space and try using XREFs are trying to put you on the right track. Another trick that sometimes works is to put your line work at an elevation slightly above Z=0. Doesn't have to be very high above Z=0; maybe .1mm.

[pahuntr]

This is what i have found, and have not been told any different...yet.

If you have you paperspace model view set to anything other than 2D wireframe, your paperspace "stuff" will be hidden behind the viewport.

[pahuntr]

You could Plot an shaded image from model mode to a tif image. Then Insert > Image Manager and place it on your layout. Then annotate it.